the other side. i think you're more with steve on this. do you think that maybe there's a little bit of slowing but it's a huge opportunity? >> well, for me, we're seeing the worst is behind us. i think q3 data have shown to us the trade volumes, the in and outs recovering from our perspective, our ships are looking well. you look at our ships 95% fully laden from asia to europe, frankly, at this point in time our ships are 100% fully laden, and people have to understand that we talk about international trades, with he talk about value. for our business we talk about the volume. value is one thing but volume is another thing, and during good times, frankly speaking probably you know, goods are more valuable, probably value is good, and in bad times people will take for more high value commodities, gifts to low value, but potentially more volume-driven commodities, we're seeing the consumers shift in more and more towards low end consumer products. i think you see that from walmart, from jcpenney, on the show about ten minutes ago. so those things are happening. that's the fundamental
